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Incidence of and risk factors for nodding off at scientific sessions

Kenneth Rockwood, David B. Hogan, Christopher J. Patterson and ; for The Nodding at Presentations (NAP) Investigators
CMAJ December 07, 2004 171 (12) 1443-1445; DOI: https://doi.org/10.1503/cmaj.1041570
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  • Nodding off at Scientific Sessions Should be Studied Scietificallly.
    Thomas M Fuhrman
    Posted on: 26 January 2005
  • More on NOELs
    Anselm Chi-wai Lee
    Posted on: 24 January 2005
  • Nodding off: a 25 year follow-up.
    Richard G Fiddian-Green
    Posted on: 10 January 2005
  • Bow ties and sex bias
    Catherine M Collins RD
    Posted on: 05 January 2005
  • John C. Clifford
    Posted on: 17 December 2004
  • Posted on: (26 January 2005)
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    Nodding off at Scientific Sessions Should be Studied Scietificallly.
    • Thomas M Fuhrman

    Drs. Rockwood, Hogan and Patterson are to congratulated for their ground breaking study of Nodding-Off Episodes per Lecture (NOELs). However while I applaud the eagerness of their scientific curiosity, their study kept me awake for several nights as I pondered methods to accurately measure NOELs.

    As an anesthesiologist, I am always trying to insure my subjects are asleep during surgery while hoping my residents...

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    Drs. Rockwood, Hogan and Patterson are to congratulated for their ground breaking study of Nodding-Off Episodes per Lecture (NOELs). However while I applaud the eagerness of their scientific curiosity, their study kept me awake for several nights as I pondered methods to accurately measure NOELs.

    As an anesthesiologist, I am always trying to insure my subjects are asleep during surgery while hoping my residents are awake during my lectures. Recent mass mailings, television "news" shows and even some scientific journal articles have touted using the BIS monitor (Aspect Medical) as a possible monitor of the depth of anesthesia. While the final verdict is not in on its ability to measure the possibilty of patient awareness, the BIS monitor could certainly be used to prove the validity of the NOELs concept.

    Granted having BIS electrodes across the forehead every member of the audience might have an initial tendency to make the listeners actually listen (possibly a benefit). However, after the initial studies, audiences would be used to the monitor and the data would be ripe for the picking.

    Computerized analysis of the audiences response to a lecture could be immediately available to the lecturer. Graphic displays of impending NOELs would alert the apeaker to change his tactics. No longer would a lecture be inefficient as learning method.

    At the same time, the data could be examined on an individual basis. One such outcome from this would be a money saving item for audience members. Why pay for a lecture you slept through, or at least not pay for the percentage of the lecture you missed. Regulatory agencies might also use the data as a means of certifying continuing medical education, (A Physician must complete 40 hours of proven awake medical education per year to retain his or her license).

    Should a lecturer be unable to change his tactics to awaken the audience a feedback loop could be included to "stimulate" the audience members to remain attentive.

    Other possibilities surely exist. I wish to offer my services to the authors should they continue thier work in this area. After all, celebrated careers in medicine have been built on less scientific information. And the lecture circuit awaits findings of such truly relevant research.

    Sincerely,

    Thomas Fuhrman,MD MMSc, FCCM, FCCP Professor of Anesthesiology University of Kentucky Lexington, KY, USA

    Conflict of Interest:

    None declared

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    Competing Interests: None declared.
  • Posted on: (24 January 2005)
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    More on NOELs
    • Anselm Chi-wai Lee

    The Canadian Medical Association Journal must be applauded for her incessant efforts of educating her readers about the meaning of scientific meetings for the medical profession. Rockwood et al.'s eye-opening study of nod-off episodes at lecture (NOELs) [1] is perhaps the other side of the coin when coupled with Ian Rose's article published 35 years ago in the same journal [2].

    Rose has rightly prophesied that...

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    The Canadian Medical Association Journal must be applauded for her incessant efforts of educating her readers about the meaning of scientific meetings for the medical profession. Rockwood et al.'s eye-opening study of nod-off episodes at lecture (NOELs) [1] is perhaps the other side of the coin when coupled with Ian Rose's article published 35 years ago in the same journal [2].

    Rose has rightly prophesied that lectures have become a necessity for the survival of any specialist. For the budding lecturer, the followings are Rose's advice: 1. A lecture may amuse but must never communicate. 2. Never use a simple sentence when a complex one will do. 3. The content of the lecture should be obscure and unintelligible. 4. Slides must be complex and made in the smallest possible print. 5. Statistics must be used to obscure facts ¡V not elucidate them.

    Rockwood et al.'s conclusion that NOELs may pose a risk to the health of patients might have contradicted with the observations made by Roger Smith. Smith suggests that conference coma, a technique for timid attendants to sit through the meeting with no relief from a poor speaker, may turn a boring lecture into an enjoyable, restful event [3]. Smith has also tactfully provided a formula in which a meeting attendant may calculate the potential amount of time he can apply the technique of conference coma, depending on the distance the lecturer has traveled to the meeting, the proportion of basic science in the presentation, the number of slides, and whether the content is new or widely knowledgeable. Unfortunately, the increasing popularity of electronic presentations has deprived the attendants the opportunity of peeping the amount of 35-mm slides or the number of trays a lecturer would carry to the meeting.

    References 1. Rockwood K, Hogen DB, Patterson CJ. Incidence of and risk factors for nodding off at scientific sessions. CMAJ 2004; 171:1443-5. 2. Rose I. Lectureshipmanship. CMAJ 1969; 101:114-6. 3. Smith RP. Conference coma: a formula for appraisal. Obstet Gynecol 1983; 61:647-8.

    Conflict of Interest:

    None declared

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    Competing Interests: None declared.
  • Posted on: (10 January 2005)
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    Nodding off: a 25 year follow-up.
    • Richard G Fiddian-Green

    There was a wonderful letter published in the BMJ/Lancet some decades ago. It was written by a doctor who had just returned to his medical school for a class reunion some 25 years after his class had graduated. One of the functions was attending a series of lectures on recent advances.

    In describing the lectures he observed how his peers had changed not only physiologically but also in appearances, some rugger-...

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    There was a wonderful letter published in the BMJ/Lancet some decades ago. It was written by a doctor who had just returned to his medical school for a class reunion some 25 years after his class had graduated. One of the functions was attending a series of lectures on recent advances.

    In describing the lectures he observed how his peers had changed not only physiologically but also in appearances, some rugger-buggers looking surprisingly well groomed and dressed. What had not changed was how people behaved.

    Those who had nodded off as students still did. Those who had sat in front and given the apearances of following the lecture intelligently still sat in the front doing the same. Those who had sat at the back talking, fooling around and giving the appearances of not absorbing anything the lecturer was saying still did. What is more, he added, the eager-beavers who had always been the first to raise their arms and ask questions, and those who always asked questions even if it they were stupid ones still did.

    Conflict of Interest:

    None declared

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    Competing Interests: None declared.
  • Posted on: (5 January 2005)
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    Bow ties and sex bias
    • Catherine M Collins RD

    Dr Rockwood and colleagues are to be congratulated on highlighting this unfortunate condition common amongst doctors and health care professionals and until now ignored in the medical literature. There are, however, two issues of dress that have been overlooked - firstly ,the sex of the lecturer (and thus the location of high risk fabrics such as tweed), and secondly the wearing of a bow tie.

    In the interest of...

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    Dr Rockwood and colleagues are to be congratulated on highlighting this unfortunate condition common amongst doctors and health care professionals and until now ignored in the medical literature. There are, however, two issues of dress that have been overlooked - firstly ,the sex of the lecturer (and thus the location of high risk fabrics such as tweed), and secondly the wearing of a bow tie.

    In the interest of science, I attempted to test their theory and recreate a high NOEL risk to undergraduate students at King College London university being lectured on the role of dietitians in the media. The wearing of a tweed skirt (gored panels, slimming design, mid-calf length) failed to generate a NOEL response despite post-prandial timing and warm environment. Anecdotally, the wearing of tweed below the waistband cannot be considered a high NOEL risk factor.

    The presence of a bow tie - a not uncommon occurance amongst British general surgeons, psychiatrists, and the occasional rheumatologist thankfully confined to consultant grades - is a variable risk factor, representing as it does either a character of whimsy (low NOEL risk) or an uber-bore (high NOEL risk). As such this easily visualised appendage requires consideration as a confounding risk factor, although with little knowledge of Canadian conferences perhaps this neck appendage is a uniquely European sartorial aberration.

    Catherine Collins RD Chief Dietitian, St Georges Hospital, London, England SW17 0QT

    Conflict of Interest:

    None declared

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    Competing Interests: None declared.
  • Posted on: (17 December 2004)
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    • John C. Clifford

    17th December 2004

    As a member of the Biological Lecturers of Western Ontario (BLOW), I must respond to the article “Incidences of and Risk Factors for Nodding Off at Scientific Sessions” CMAJ Dec. 7, 2004; 171 (12).

    I was frankly appalled at the aspersions being cast upon the veneralable tweed jacket. I can state categorically that while lecturing over many years, I have observed frequent NOEL’s in m...

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    17th December 2004

    As a member of the Biological Lecturers of Western Ontario (BLOW), I must respond to the article “Incidences of and Risk Factors for Nodding Off at Scientific Sessions” CMAJ Dec. 7, 2004; 171 (12).

    I was frankly appalled at the aspersions being cast upon the veneralable tweed jacket. I can state categorically that while lecturing over many years, I have observed frequent NOEL’s in my classes—whether or not I was wearing tweed! Nor should the authors seek to discredit our little friends, the insect-like creatures (ILC), who so nobly inhabit our tweed vestments.

    The authors know (or ought to know) that there have been no well- defined, published studies (single, 1 1/2, or double-blinded) linking ILC dander to cerebral dysfunction. In fact, I am aware of a preliminary report (personal communication) using an innovative “triple-blinded” study design (both researchers and subjects were blinded, while the ILC’s were fitted with bilateral, opaque compound eye patches ™) that suggests for the first time that the dander is actually linked to vasodilatation in the basal ganglia, corpus collosum and elbows of those exposed. The implication for the study of upper extremity, crossover movement disorders in tweed-wearing BLOW’s is of course enormous.

    Blame for NOEL’s should be placed squarely where it belongs: on the backs (or more precisely, on the back of the necks) of those in our audiences who persist in nodding off.

    My own personal theory is that this tendency is actually due to hyperactive stretch reflexes (HSR) in the posterior paracervical musculature (PCM) of those in the medical community given to nodding off. Therefore, rather than sacrificing BLOW’s or ILC’s, it may be far more beneficial to sacrifice a few or our more compulsive nodders amongst our medical students—perhaps circumventing the thorny issue of ethical approval. Information obtained may allow the scientific evaluation of twitch capabilities (TC) of the effected posterior muscle spindles (PMS).

    Establishing the appropriate control group for this study will of course be critical. I would agree with the authors that it would be most appropriate to use as control subjects physician-blaming nodders. Perhaps a prospective, longitudinal trial should be undertaken to determine whether administrators, politicians or lawyers would be best suited. Ideally this study would last for twenty years or more and if well- publicized, could have the added benefit of reducing the frequency of nodding off by administrators and politicians. Such an outcome, however, may be fantasy if the protocol fails to distinguish between simple nodders and those administrators and politicians who can sleep with open eyes and still heads (OESH). Under these circumstances any available data would be classed as superficial, unnecessary clinical knowledge (SUCK).

    Finally funding for such a trial could be pursued through the Canadian Medical Protective Association—at arms’ length of course, lest any of the associated tweed-wearing lawyers (TWL) also demonstrate upper extremity, crossover movement disorders during their closing arguments.

    John C. Clifford, M.D., MA, F.R.C.P.C. Department of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation University of Western Ontario, London /blp

    Conflict of Interest:

    None declared

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    Competing Interests: None declared.
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